08 November 2007


“mom’s nicer than the whores you date.” -buster
“don’t call my escorts whores!” -gob
“i’m sick of all this objectifying of women!” -lindsay
“it’s just mom and whores.” -michael

Gimple AKA Therayasomething is worried that the blogs have become a path from “…MoHo to MoHo whore to Homo.” He sites no references and expresses this analysis is based simply on his own observations. I, however, have never failed to accurately site concealed references so I’ll point out that he’s worried about Peter, Romulus, and iWonder.

Peter briefly mentioned that he wasn't going to date girls anymore. Romulus wants to [finally] fall in love [with a guy]. iWonder posted about an unexpected same-sex relationship that fizzled out before it began.* There may have been others but ultimately these are the posts that lead Gimple to fear the blogs are changing "MoHos to MoHo whores to Homos."

So why the heavy tone? Why the talk of “homos” and “whores?”

It would be disingenuous for him to have enjoyed a same-sex relationship only to disparage others who are merely thinking about such a thing so I’ll assume he’s been trying something else. Obviously, no one finds happiness through celibacy so he must be sticking to women-folk.** Therefore, it seems likely Gimple feels threatened by same-sex relationships.

It’s a fundamental misunderstanding about same-sex relationships. Said relationships don’t threaten anyone. Two people like each other… and... that’s all. It has no impact on the bystanders. The bystanders who really ought to respect the lives of others while hoping others would return that respect.

Friends should expect such decency.

*For additional fun read the comments on iWonder’s post. Remember, he wasn’t looking for a relationship and there wasn’t actually a relationship but nothing can keep Crow and RealNeal from going nuts at the news!

**That’s fine. Really, it is. Everyone finds happiness in their own way.


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drex said...

Well, it is a fairly recognizable pattern that one who becomes a known MoHo shortly thereafter often goes through a MoHo whore stage. I'm going to call it a weak point for lack of a better or more correct term. It seems to be what happens when someone with previously held ideals, standards, and preconceived notions comes to realize that the preconceived notions were false, and finds a new form of happiness in self-expression and openness. The rebound effect from that looks to be a loosening of the ideals and standards in order to indulge the new happy-self. Some come out of the MoHoWhore (MoHoHo? (Merry Christmas?)) stage feeling slightly guilty and going back to those standards, some strengthen their standards when they realize where they (almost, sometimes) went, and some loosen their standards to accepts different types of 'aberrant' behavior (I'm referring to this from a strictly LDS-standards perspective, so I apologize for the unsavory terminology).

What I think Gimple is commenting on, and what I and a few others have also noticed, is that with the influx of new MoHos, the trend toward MoHoHo is hitting quite a few people all at once, and it doesn't look like people are pulling out of it like they used to - they're sorta sitting there because they're in good company. Whether or not this is good or bad is really up to the individual, but for those of us who frown on how our MoHoHo stages went, we don't see much happiness sitting in MoHoLimBo.

(Hot dang, that was almost like a post.)

Chris said...

Adolescence is the time that most people get to discover their sexuality, and begin to explore it. Those explorations are sactioned when they are heterosexual, even when they are governed by fairly strict standards of conduct.

Gay people often have to delay their adolscence. The "ho" phase is usually nothing more than that, though when it is coupled with rejecting long held and externally-imposed religious beliefs, it can by frightening to the one experiencing it and threatening to those observing it.

From where I sit, this all seems pretty innocent and harmless.

Mr. Fob said...

Also, let's remember that having a relationship with one guy--or almost having a relationship with one guy--is nowhere near deserving of the label whore. There is a wide spectrum of possibilities between strictly holding to Mormon ideals and being a whore.

Therapevo Ydata said...

In my defensive, I am going to say that I noticed it in myself and I have noticed it in myself and in others that I have been talking to. I was not referring to anyone in particular because I haven't been reading blogs lately. I have been far too busy from school and work. So all of those people that you mentioned, I don't know what you are talking about because I haven't read their blogs. These are just my thoughts and I have a lot more coming that I was too afraid to share before. I feel like it is time that something is said.

Mr. Fob said...

In retrospect, I don't think my comment says anything your post doesn't. I just wanted to say something so you'd think I was cool.

Sigh. (But not in the whorish sense of the word.)

drex said...

Also, those outside of our circle of friends (that know each other in-person) might balk at the term "whore" - we use it almost as a term of endearment in some cases, and it's lost much of its bite. For instance, one is a "Facebook whore" if they are on Facebook often. Salad is the resident whore because she collected money for get-togethers from various people, and the title started when Calvin paid her on the front steps of the Wilk on BYU campus. So a MoHoWhore/MoHoHo (merry christmas) seems simply a label of a phase to me.

Mr. Fob said...

I understand that use of the term, Drex, and I don't object to you using it that way. Just be aware, though, that if you use it that way in conjunction with discussions of sex and sexuality, it carries by default all the more traditional connotations.

Merry Christmas to you too. :)

playasinmar said...

First of all, ten points to the House of Drex for using the phrase "MoHoHo? (Merry Christmas?)" and "MoHoLimBo." Awesome.

Second, ten points to Mr. Fob for posting and being cool.

Third, I think Mr. Fob is 100% right about "[when] you use it... in conjunction with discussions of sex and sexuality, it carries by default all the more traditional connotations.

But that's only part of the problem. People stumble (it's what people do) and they're not to beaten by the lash if they fail to change their mind quickly enough.

playasinmar said...


whore [hawr]
n (plural whores)

1. an offensive term for a prostitute
2. an offensive term for somebody regarded as being sexually indiscriminate
3. an offensive term for somebody who is regarded as willingly setting aside principles or personal integrity in order to obtain something, usually for selfish motives (insult)

Mr. Fob said...

Oh, do you really think I'm cool?

(I'm such a compliment whore.)

drex said...

Your MOM's an offensive term for a...oh, nevermind.

(PS I hate that tabbing through the fields for word verification and logging in doesn't go in order on blogger's comments pages. Just thought I'd share.)

Mr. Fob said...

I offensively termed your mom last night.

I should have said, Drex, rather than "I don't object to you using [whore] that way," "I wholeheartedly approve of you using the term that way." I'm a particular fan of humor that sounds dirtier than it really it is.

(But I do, for example, stifle the Your Mom jokes when someone's mom is actually present.)

Kengo Biddles said...

Chris, I couldn't agree with you more, that we all tend to go through a delayed adolescence when coming to terms with our sexuality.

And as much as the term whore can be pejorative, I understood it to mean those MoHos who think a casual NCMO or other behavior (up to and including mutual m*sturbation) is not something to be concerned about.

And the term is implying that they're willingly abandoning their beliefs for the short burst of hormonal satisfaction.

For those of us who are trying to maintain our faithfulness to our covenants along the lines the LDS church has established, yes, it's somewhat of a threat, because we all know our weakness, and we all know what it feels like, and many of us feel sad for those who are making choices that we perceive as wrong. Whether this sadness manifests as anger at the choice or the person making it, or whether it's internalized is something else entirely.

J G-W said...

Sorry, I know this marks me as a pathetic old fogey, but, um, what does NCMO stand for?

playasinmar said...

"Non-Committal Make-Out"

drex said...

Teehee, we were making "your mom" jokes with Therapevo Ydata at his house with his mom there. That was fun.